Thursday, July 29, 2004

Libertarianism is fraudulent

EDIT:

At The Volokh Conspiracy - More on the Moral Foundations of Libertarianism, Randy Barnett argues that Libertarianism is not amoral, precisely because it doesn't involve itself with morality. It's tough to summarize the post, so go read/consider it, but he quotes another blogger that:


the sparse libertarian framework can be affirmed from a multiplicity of different points of view, because it is sparse, and because its principles are not bogged down with assumptions unique to any one particular point of view

He then explains:


What amazes me is not that others would disagree with this position, but that they would misunderstand it to assert that Libertarians are somehow amoral, or even against morality, or that Libertarians adopt a political philosophy that permits them to gratify their every whim. To reiterate, separating the political (how society should be structured) from the moral (how people should live their lives) is not to deny existence or importance of the moral.
This, of course, is utterly false.

Libertarianism is morally bankrupt.

If I say to you that I want my household to be financially successful, so our family is not going to spend more than it makes, that might sound very reasonable.

If I then told you that each member of my household, as soon as he or she reached an age of self-awareness, would be given a credit card, drawing upon the household's credit, and that that credit card had no limit, that would sound utterly absurd. Just saying our household won't spend more money than we make isn't going to overcome an environment without limits.

Libertarianism LEGISLATES AMORALITY. It is not passive in this manner. Libertarianism does not merely allow the populace to randomly decide a law here and a law there and concern itself only with lowering taxes. It's proponents actively pursue laws which prevent social accountability.

Libertarian support for open borders, legalized drug use, homosexual marriage, etc. specifically elminate laws that establish a foundation of social norms. Libertarian policy creates a playground of 'freedom' that enables anyone to act in any way for any personal reason, so long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's nose.

That 'freedom' is only a highway to slavery to moral perversion and self-indulgence. We have already seen this every time social norms are relaxed in America - the populace quickly embraces newfound moral 'freedom' and then exploits it for personal pleasure until a new extreme of self-indulgence becomes the social norm and 'restraint' is really only a euphemism for finding some absolute zero of moral standards we're not yet willing to violate.

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Ok, a few things. The preceding post was a quick, butchered reaction fueled by my overall frustration for the seductive effect of Libertarianism on conservatives. I should have been more precise, and, if any of the commenters were more familiar with my writing, you would see that I typically am more careful. A more in-depth look is called for.

But there are two fronts here for discussion. First is the question of whether Libertarianism is the 'true' conservativism, as it is frequently touted. Second, is Libertarianism a truly sound political theory, or is it a hollow construct?

To respond somewhat to the challenges posed:
  • I speak of slavery in terms of becoming dependent on personal gratification. Alcohol and drugs are simple examples of situations in which people frequently become 'enslaved'. I am making the argument that a fairly significant portion of the population will allow itself to become dependent on other, less obvious forms of personal gratification when social norms are not just relaxed, but come close to being eliminated.
  • My grasp on Libertarianism is quite good. I was speaking rather tongue-in-cheek, although I didn't adequately display that. When I say 'as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's nose' I am referring to the cliche phrase used by Libertarians to illustrate their idea of personal liberty. But the idea is so nebulous that, as was so nicely pointed out, mismanaging a family budget could then be a case for new laws according to some interpretations of Libertarianism. If we make laws only when it involves one person interfering with another, and mismanaging a budget is considered interference, then we might have to make laws about how families are allowed to budget.
  • As to this idea that 'most' people handle this and that properly. Here is where your argument falls short: Although I may handle drugs, alcohol, and fidelity fine, I may have a very serious problem with gambling. My neighbor, on the other hand, may have no problem with gambling, but is an alcoholic waiting to happen. And a third may be a sex-addict. The problem is that if we are not constantly vigilant as a society holding each other accountable (not necessarily legally), then each person is much more likely to fall into the trap to which he or she is most susceptible.
  • The question about the 51-49 vote turns morality on its head. It is not because of a vote that something becomes moral or immoral. It is precisely reversed. It is due to an individual's interpretation of morality that he or she votes one way or another. The fact that votes are decided sometimes by very close margins only indicates that there is a stark disagreement about what is right and wrong. The numbers of a vote in and of themselves are not an indication of what is right and wrong. They are an indication of what those people believe to be right and wrong.
  • Lastly, if you can say with a straight face that our changing social norms have not made infidelity more acceptable than it was 50-60 years ago, then you are ignorant of history. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is. Most particularly, the 60's counter-cultural revolution changed overall acceptance of previously stigmatized behaviors. That paradigm shift may have occurred at previous times in history (such as the roaring 20's) but for wars, but that is up for debate.
  • I'm going to have to make a new post to better explain my interpretation of Libertarianism.

 




7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your last paragraph generalizes to the point of meaningless. I'd be interested in actual examples of the American populace traveling down the road to slavery after social norms relax.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>> so long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's nose. <<

By overspending and damaging your household, you are interfering with your family's nose, and you can/will be held to account. Your grasp of libertarianism is tenuous at best.

4:19 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Thanks God you are not absolute overlord of this Earth as it appears that you wish to be.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A response to your claims.

http://jeffrey.theutechs.com/blog/archives/001292.html

2:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firstly, most people practice self-restraint. Most of us do not spend out entire paycheck on payday. Most of us do not use illicit drugs. And most of use do not use prostitutes. Nothing idicates that this would change under a more 'libertarian' system. People who choose to engage in these activities would continue to do so, and most of us who do not would continue to abstain.

Secondly, I have a hard time swallowing that because of a 51-49 vote, a certain activity is not only illegal, but immoral. This is unadulterated nonsense.

Thirdly, laws do not decide what is socially acceptable but what is legally acceptable. Regardless of legality, there are still social consequences to certain reckless behaviors. There are no criminal reprocussions to me cheating on my wife, but I will be ostricised by my in-laws, many friends, and some of my own family. Society KNOWS infidelity is immoral behavior without nary a cue from the legal cannon or the local dog-catcher.

Scotty B
relativetheory1@yahoo.com

3:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that as a society we should hold each other accountable for irresponsible behavior. I just don't think we need to get the legal team involved when behavior threatens a group's sensibilities and nothing else. It is truly amazing that all Americans are subjected to drugs, alcohol, sex, and gambling during some point of our lives but we manage to resist the temptation to become morally bankrupt dead heads, travelling the country smoking pot & engaging in group sex following an exciting round of strip poker. The value of the legal code to deter such behavior in the first place is fairly nebulous.

I'll concede the point of 51-49. With slim margins it makes one wonder about the advisability of such a law in the first place.

I don't remember the 40s and 50s...I wasn't born yet. However I do know that among my peers (late 20's\early30's and a pretty normal group at that) infidelity would be considered very shameful, and not a mark of pride at all. Perhaps people are more open about infidelity than in the 50's, but that doesn't make it any more commonplace. I think your assertion would be tough to prove, what with studies of this issue more of a rarity pre-60's And while I might agree that there was a temporary shift in the stigmatization of things such as infidelity, many studies indicate that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction on most issues, towards more traditional views.

9:57 AM  
Blogger The Cynic said...

You know what? Among my peers, infidelity is pretty shameful too. But then, that's because I choose my peers.

I can tell you as a matter of fact, thought, that there are many out there that do not see things that way. Most of my extended family not only has experienced it, but have no problem with it.

I understand those aren't statistics, but it is definitely not a givent that everyone agrees on what is right, even in seemingly obvious situations.

11:02 AM  

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